Terence McKenna - 1994
*Source – The Psychedelic Salon - 391
**Transcribed by DominatorCulture.com for readability and grammar.
[Audience] - I had this experience of dreaming that I smoked. It was very futuristic and it looked like little pellets, like something out of a star film and out of a little metallic pipe. It was like DMT when I went up on it. It lasted about 45 seconds, intense. I wondered if this was common or do you have any theories about what happened?
That’s an interesting question. It relates to some of the properties of DMT. I mentioned DMT occurs in human metabolism. It does, and its concentration in cerebral spinal fluid fluctuates on a circadian or daily rhythm. The most intense concentration of DMT is about four in the morning and this is when the deep REM dreaming is going on. When you give DMT to somebody, as an index of how loaded they are, what you look at is with them stretched out in front of you - you look at their closed eyes. If their eyes are darting wildly back and forth under their eyelids, then you assume that they have in fact become successfully intoxicated because they are then in the realm of the self-transforming elf machines and they’re watching all this stuff. Many people who have smoked DMT report that later they will have a dream where a glass pipe will be introduced into the dream, they will smoke it and this will happen. This is really interesting to me because it argues that the psychological capacity for the DMT flash is present at least in deep sleep, maybe all the time. It seems to me that an inspired biofeedback program of research ought to be able to teach people how to do that.
One thing I’ve talked to my brother about in terms of orienting the research programs of these pharmaceutical companies is how about a drug, which just allows you to remember your dreams. That alone might throw open a whole new world of possibility.
Yes, so if you could get in there, we might solve our drug problem because I think that probably every night we go deeper than we can remember and that the dreams we remember are basically at the surface and even the deepest dreams we remember are fairly near the surface. The dissolution back into some kind of primal swarm state is part of the daily cycle and why the top level can’t remember is a real question about our physiological and psychological organization. Maybe there is simply no efficacy to it.
[Audience] – Does it have something to do with the brain waves? If you’re down in theta, you can still witness what’s going on but when you go down to delta, it’s just a total absorption. Within the process, you remember it felt nice afterwards but you don’t remember…
Well what seems to be happening is there is no transcription of short-term memory. RNA activation of short-term memory isn’t happening. All of these things have physical mechanisms, which could be studied but we spend money in unusual ways. I doubt that any drug company would put money into a dream recollection drug.